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bleh · Mar 25, 2012, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by DRGN

That's...that's the point I've been trying to make this whole time, though just for additional reasons on top of what Gli has been saying.

I thought this forum used to have a "Beating head on wall" smiley. I think that must be another forum I'm thinking of

I think us posters beat our heads bloody against "walls " enough, heh heh

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Either way i think public opinion is pretty clear:

1) /Signed = i'd prefer not to use Wurms anymore for a few different reasons. (fair enough rumble rumble rumble)

2) /unsigned = I don't see why it is needed, alot of effort, not much pay off.

It seems roughly 50/50 to me and its not going to effect the people who "don't" want it.
so:
IF it could be added in possible "NF beyond" content then AWESOME.
Will that content come? Is it worth adding regardless of NF beyond?

Maybe (i hope so) and most likely not.

Lasai · Mar 26, 2012, 09:12 AM // 09:12

well, the lore for the "impassible except by worm" purists is already moot, as you are greeted outside of Morah by a very much human Kournan Captain Mehhan, who crossed with Varesh and her forces.

And bottom line is. I didn't roll a worm. I didn't select a worm as 2nd prof. I did not spend fortunes on worm armor and worm weapons. I did not spend significant RL dollars on worm costumes or worm makeovers. Nor did I roam over 3 campaigns for a serious time investment to capture Worm elites or purchase worm skills. I also did not acquire every hero in game, and purchase 8 merc slots in order to have them replaced by a canned skill set of moronic worms. I developed my Character and her heroes, and expect to play THAT character and her heroes..

Gimmick garbage is fine for one off optional content. Forced to play a gimmick over and over is not.

And to the person asserting taking control and micromanaging hero worms.. thanks for proving the AI point.. since the very same non worm hero teams can easily defeat wasteland foes on rocky ground without said micromanaging.

prism2525 · Apr 14, 2012, 12:39 PM // 12:39

How did Varesh get through? She was still human (partially at least) while travelling the Desolation. I suppose Abaddon gave her a blessing of sorts? If so Kormir should be able to bless us too. Maybe (just maybe) make having elonian guardian a requirement?

Also, please remember that the Asura are in the mix now, so I suppose that a race that can, in only 250 years invent frickin' TIME TRAVEL, a simple mask with filters or something is child's play.

Hey Vekk, show us how smart you REALLY are!

MithranArkanere · Apr 14, 2012, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by prism2525

How did Varesh get through? She was still human (partially at least) while travelling the Desolation. I suppose Abaddon gave her a blessing of sorts? If so Kormir should be able to bless us too. Maybe (just maybe) make having elonian guardian a requirement?
[...]

She was no longer human. She already had 6 eyes under her skin, and was affected by the Lightbringer's Gaze.

lorazcyk · May 10, 2012, 02:24 AM // 02:24

If
You have maxed Sunspear
AND You have maxed Lightbringer
AND You have finished Nightfall
Then
Tick the Lightbringer box to display the title if you want to be able to walk on the sulphurus haze.
Or
Untick the Lightbringer box to play as a wurm.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · May 10, 2012, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

If
You have maxed Sunspear
AND You have maxed Lightbringer
AND You have finished Nightfall
Then
Tick the Lightbringer box to display the title if you want to be able to walk on the sulphurus haze.
Or
Untick the Lightbringer box to play as a wurm.

i know one better
- you have to complete elona missions (even without bonusses)
AND you can use the wurms at the places they are right now

really, if you want the game to be harder/less easy etc, you can do it your own way
if they should do this, then you dont NEED to use it

why do people always say "NO" while they dont NEED to do it that way?
with upgrades like this one, you can play old fashion, like they gave us heroes, yet you can keep playing with hench only (with exception of certain elona missions, but you can give the hero a build of some henchies)

i'd say: complete eotn, then do 2 or 3 quests with a blessing from kormir (which may require at least rank 1 or 2 of lightbringer) (maybe even require having razah in team... or just unlocked)

yitjuan · May 10, 2012, 11:47 AM // 11:47

No, we should be allowed to bring Wurms into the realm of Torment and Vabbi/Istan . Can you imagine the look on Prince Bokka's face when he finds that he has something to contend for his buffet plate now ???

WarcryOfTruth · May 10, 2012, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Vanquishing in wurms has always been easier for me than not. The mobs on the Haze are much, much bigger. Some groups even have 3-4 Cavaliers that can use We Shall Return like crazy, along with 2 Acolytes. Wurm damage takes them down pretty quickly, since your heroes will come up and spam skill 3 on whoever you want for an immediate spike and kill.

I am not against changing certain things though. Like, what is the point of 3,000 health if armor makes us take more damage than under normal circumstances? 75 Health gain every 4 seconds is hardly enough for us to survive, and you can only use Stance every 30 seconds to use with Bite, or you can try to use Smash and hope to get lucky with its long casting time. Either way, wurms are fine if you ask me, except what I mentioned above

Loki Seiguro · May 10, 2012, 04:47 PM // 16:47

I like how most ppl hate preset skill bars yet im sure most of you run the discord bars on your heroes to vanq everytthing.

hey im one of them

Andemius · May 10, 2012, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Loki Seiguro

I like how most ppl hate preset skill bars yet im sure most of you run the discord bars on your heroes to vanq everytthing.

hey im one of them

I haven't ran discord in months.

Spiritz · May 11, 2012, 05:54 PM // 17:54

How did varesh and her human troops cross the desolation ? aww dont say you cant work it out .. lets think logically but in a gw type of way.
1 almighty big sandpit - beings that are alive cannot cross but we can see visually that margonites and undead can cross .. so what does varesh do?
Can you see where im going here - if an army had to cross a deep river they would build a bridge , so to cross the desolation all she would need do is get the margonites to carry whats left of her human troops over - its so simple its daft.
We know from the storyline the margonites pretty much took over the desolation so advance troops would go first and as i suggested the rest carried the others over when its safe.
We dont really see or hear of any margonites taming the wurms - now that would be a nightmare lol and it seems abbadon isnt able to taint the wurms - infact with reflection maybe the monolyths carried ppl over.
If this was said ages ago before ua change then id have said varesh sent a load of ua monks over and got her troops the walk an die on sand then get rez`d other side :P

Lord Asakurra · May 11, 2012, 09:14 PM // 21:14

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

How did varesh and her human troops cross the desolation ? aww dont say you cant work it out .. lets think logically but in a gw type of way.
1 almighty big sandpit - beings that are alive cannot cross but we can see visually that margonites and undead can cross .. so what does varesh do?
Can you see where im going here - if an army had to cross a deep river they would build a bridge , so to cross the desolation all she would need do is get the margonites to carry whats left of her human troops over - its so simple its daft.
We know from the storyline the margonites pretty much took over the desolation so advance troops would go first and as i suggested the rest carried the others over when its safe.
We dont really see or hear of any margonites taming the wurms - now that would be a nightmare lol and it seems abbadon isnt able to taint the wurms - infact with reflection maybe the monolyths carried ppl over.
If this was said ages ago before ua change then id have said varesh sent a load of ua monks over and got her troops the walk an die on sand then get rez`d other side :P

Abaddon's minions are demons, not humans. Look at their faces- most definitely NOT human. Also, Varesh got over the Desolation because she wasn't human anymore- she was Abaddon's vessel until the Realm of Torment was opened up, then we killed her. The only evidence of people in the Desolation are spirits which leads us to believe they were either there before this so called "Haze" or died because of it. Everything that exists in the Desolation is either Spirit, Undead, Demon, or Mandragor. I don't know how Mandragor's would have gotten over but since they aren't human I would assume they aren't affected by the haze- if they are, they can burrow underground.

Also, to all those who are complaining about using Wurms- they do more dmg than your discord or OP heroes- l2usethem

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · May 11, 2012, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Lord Asakurra

Also, to all those who are complaining about using Wurms- they do more dmg than your discord or OP heroes- l2usethem

1 word: fun

we should have fun, and some of us (me too) dont like wurms even after done the storyline

thats the real problem, its no fun always using wurms to get somewhere and maybe to vq

and the story could have kormir giving us a blessing we gotta get after completion of NF, so the story wont get hurt either (in case someone wanted to point out the lore)

MrNewYorkRunner · May 11, 2012, 11:37 PM // 23:37

By the time you max all those damn titles I'm pretty sure you'd have all those area's vanquished while trying to get those points.

Lol.

MithranArkanere · May 12, 2012, 01:03 AM // 01:03

Yup. The main reason against Junundu is how boring they are.
They are powerful, but they are still boringly slow DP-gathering machines.

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Originally Posted by Lord Asakurra

[...]Everything that exists in the Desolation is either Spirit, Undead, Demon, or Mandragor.[...]

And wurms, and giants, and elementals, and forgotten and the most forgotten pet: Hyenas.

That's the thing I'd like to know. How do hyenas managed to be around these parts unharmed.

Andemius · May 12, 2012, 08:39 AM // 08:39

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Originally Posted by Lord Asakurra

Also, to all those who are complaining about using Wurms- they do more dmg than your discord or OP heroes- l2usethem

No they don't lol. I wouldn't be suggesting a change if they could outperform my hero team.

Premium Unleaded · May 12, 2012, 08:00 PM // 20:00

VQing any haze-heavy maps is a nightmare.
Try somehwere like Joko's Domain - just compare the amount of DP your team will stack up in haze and in the normal/rocky areas. The fact that touch range AI is still shit and the undead mobs have multiple copies of res skills across multiple monsters, one of which is a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing AoE shout takes the piss when you're unable to use frozen soil. Anyone thinking doing it in wurms is easier than a standard hero team, even 3 hero/4 hench, is either lying or has never done it before.

Spiritz · May 13, 2012, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Lord Asakurra

Abaddon's minions are demons, not humans. Look at their faces- most definitely NOT human. Also, Varesh got over the Desolation because she wasn't human anymore- she was Abaddon's vessel until the Realm of Torment was opened up, then we killed her. The only evidence of people in the Desolation are spirits which leads us to believe they were either there before this so called "Haze" or died because of it. Everything that exists in the Desolation is either Spirit, Undead, Demon, or Mandragor. I don't know how Mandragor's would have gotten over but since they aren't human I would assume they aren't affected by the haze- if they are, they can burrow underground.

Also, to all those who are complaining about using Wurms- they do more dmg than your discord or OP heroes- l2usethem

err when i said human troops i assumed some got over otherwise how do you explain morgahn being at the exit to the vortex ? thats what i was hinting at - maybe piggybacked there

Mintha Syl · May 13, 2012, 10:50 AM // 10:50

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

how do you explain morgahn being at the exit to the vortex ?

erhm the same way all your other heroes did...he traveled with you, remember?

Andemius · May 13, 2012, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

erhm the same way all your other heroes did...he traveled with you, remember?

We're mixing up Morghan with Kournan Captain Mehhan. Morghan travelled with the player. This guy is very much human and past the sulphur.